Doesn't socialism mean that the government will own and run everything?

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Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect.

Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.

Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives.

Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned. While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods.

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commented 2016-07-31 12:18:50 -0400 · Flag
“Does the Federal Government have the right to promote social welfare?

In the Preamble of the Constitution we are told that one of the reasons the U. S. Constitution was set up was to promote the general welfare of the people.

This provision anticipates the RIGHT of Americans to have its government serve the welfare of the people in their collective needs–that is, their GENERAL welfare–and not use the resources of the people for the benefit of certain states or certain people, which would be SPECIAL welfare.

The term ‘general welfare’ was used in the Articles of Confederation and elsewhere to refer to the well-being of the whole people. The Founders did not want the power and resources of the federal government to be used for the special benefit of any one region or any one state. Nor were the resources of the people to be expended for the benefit of any particular group or any special class of citizens. (Making of America p 244)"
http://www.learntheconstitution.com/social-welfare.html
commented 2016-07-26 02:27:42 -0400 · Flag
Socialism is a government system which is completely illegal in our Constitution. The Enumerated Powers section of the Constitution only allows to let our federal government have “limited powers”. Well, socialism cannot work if a government doesn’t have unlimited power, I do not care if it’s a democratic socialist or any other kind of socialist government. In order for a “Democratic Socialist” government to work, this means that the federal government will have to completely ignore the limitations placed on them by the Enumerated Powers section of the Constitution. This makes socialism a direct contradiction to our Constitution. True, our evil federal government has been ignoring the limitation placed on them for over 100 years; however, at least we the people can figure out that an unlawful law is no law at all…We have the duty to defy all unlawful laws. It goes the same if Bernie and his socialist crew took over the federal government. The people would have the duty to nullify all of his actions. If you do not believe me, read the 2nd half of Federalist Papers No. 46 where James Madison says, “The people are armed to defend themselves, their family, their community, their city, their state, and their nation in the even the federal government ignores the limitations set on them by the Constitution and turns into a tyranny.” So, if this means we end of having to fight, so be it…Now, if the people would just wake up…However, the good news is maybe we don’t have to go to war, just quite yet. You see, the Constitution set us up to where we can refuse to obey unlawful laws, unlawful regulations, and unlawful treaties. It is called the Tenth Amendment and the right of the people to nullify all unlawful actions of our state government and our federal government in a 12 man jury…
commented 2016-07-26 02:23:41 -0400 · Flag
Socialism is a government system which is completely illegal in our Constitution. The Enumerated Powers section of the Constitution only allows to let our federal government have “limited powers”. Well, socialism cannot work if a government doesn’t have unlimited power, I do not care if it’s a democratic socialist or any other kind of socialist government. In order for a “Democratic Socialist” government to work, this means that the federal government will have to completely ignore the limitations placed on them by the Enumerated Powers section of the Constitution. This makes socialism a direct contradiction to our Constitution. True, our evil federal government has been ignoring the limitation placed on them for over 100 years; however, at least we the people can figure out that an unlawful law is no law at all…We have the duty to defy all unlawful laws. It goes the same if Bernie and his socialist crew took over the federal government. The people would have the duty to nullify all of his actions. If you do not believe me, read the 2nd half of Federalist Papers No. 46 where James Madison says, “The people are armed to defend themselves, their family, their community, their city, their state, and their nation in the even the federal government ignore the limitations set on them by the Constitution and turns into a tyranny.” So, if this means we have to fight, so be it…Now, if the people would just wake up…However, the good news is maybe we don’t have to go to war, first. You see, the Constitution set us up to where we can refuse to obey unlawful laws, unlawful regulations, and unlawful treaties. It is called the Tenth Amendment and the right of the people to nullify all unlawful actions of our state government and our federal government in a 12 man jury…
commented 2016-07-16 20:53:38 -0400 · Flag
It doesn’t have to mean that. It is still how it will be made through the people.

http://easyfreefollowers.com
commented 2016-05-31 10:58:02 -0400 · Flag
Alan Knauer, maybe you have a hard time understanding conjunctions, but the word “or” in “collective or governmental” means it can be one or the other, not necessarily both. Also, the link you referenced speaks about socialism in general, not specifically “democratic socialism”, which would look for a collective ownership by the people, not by the government. That is one major difference between democratic socialism vs other forms of socialism. So nice of you to take 2 minutes out of your day to show us that you’re the “fucking idiot”.

In order to help you with your issue, here’s a link to a wonderful little video so you won’t get so confused again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zFS7TFzlro

I hope you’ll be able to fit it into your oh so busy schedule of eating glue, or licking windows, or whatever you do to pass the time when your not making an ass out of yourself.
commented 2016-05-29 11:10:38 -0400 · Flag
Okay, since no one here knows what socialism is,

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

“any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods”

Meaning the Govt. Owns means to production and has the first rights to said product. You socialists don’t realize, by giving more power to the Govt, you are WELCOMING MORE CORRUPTION. History tells us this. Current events tell us this. And yet you keep pushing the narrative that we live in a socialist country.

Fucking idiots.
commented 2016-05-28 10:57:18 -0400 · Flag
No. Didn’t answer the question. Yes or no!
commented 2016-05-24 01:07:41 -0400 · Flag
Tony Stephens, while I agree with pretty much everything you stated, I do think using Nazi Germany is a bad example primarily for the reason that we, the U.S. and our Allies, put Germany in a very bad situation with all of our regulations and lack of help and basically forced them into desperation. We created a monster. That one is on us.
commented 2016-05-24 00:54:09 -0400 · Flag
Bill Schubert, you commented, “So stop say socialism doesn’t work. Socialism is at work right now. It’s all around you everyday, whether you believe it or not.”

My question to you is, do yo honestly think our country is in a good spot right now? Do you see the debt we have and all of the problems we face? The underemployment? The rising costs of education? A welfare system that encourages dependency? So, yes, socialism is all around us, whether we believe it or not, and it’s not working.
commented 2016-05-19 17:18:35 -0400 · Flag
This right here proves how corrupt and hypocritical Democratic Socialism actually is: “Democratic socialists favor as much decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel may necessitate some form of state ownership”

You say Dem Socialists want as much decentralization as possible. That I can respect. As a capitalist loving libertarian, that’s what limited government is all about. However, the hypocrisy is staring us right in the face, because in the very NEXT SENTENCE you say we have to nationalize energy, steel, etc. This is not limited government at all. Government control is not the answer, why? Because government is proven to be inefficient. And taking away the competition that drives down costs will only result in skyrocketing prices and poor quality services
commented 2016-05-11 12:50:45 -0400 · Flag
Watch the hilarious Steven Crowder destroy the concept of “democratic socialism”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XgdtHewGR0
commented 2016-05-09 07:02:49 -0400 · Flag
Quote"To see socialism at work, how about a few examples…

Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:

China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium "

All of whom are adopting capitalist and private ventures after decades of failures of their socialist ideology. China is the poster child of whats wrong with socialism. Tyrannical dictatorship? Seriously? lol
commented 2016-05-09 06:58:53 -0400 · Flag
So who will prevent Corporations from running society? Yeah, big government. Your entire premise is flawed logic.
commented 2016-05-08 16:31:20 -0400 · Flag
“Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy.”

You sound as though you’re struggling to even convince yourself.
commented 2016-04-28 19:13:06 -0400 · Flag
“We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions should own and control them.”

That’s an interesting statement the logical question is how would you do that? The only way to do that is through force, forceful appropriation of those institutions, how is that going to be possible unless you actually create exactly what you say you don’t want to create in this next statement:

“Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy.”
commented 2016-04-11 19:00:25 -0400 · Flag
If I’m understanding correcty, you uncle Sam’s hand in big corporations?
If I built a huge business, and I’m the boss, I don’t want to answer to anyone. I started a business so that I’m the boss and don’t have to answer to someone.
The more the Government gets involved, the worse off we are.
commented 2016-04-09 06:32:42 -0400 · Flag
you guys are trying to redefine democratic socialism. you can’t, look at the key word: SOCIALISM. your answer describes libertarianism- get the government out of my life and my pockets. just look at history. no country has ever had a successful socialist government. ever.
commented 2016-04-05 17:58:30 -0400 · Flag
“Democracy won’t fix that…”

Right. Democracy is THE WORST from of society ever invented by man…

Except for all the others.
commented 2016-04-02 13:21:42 -0400 · Flag
Just what the hell do you socialists think a corporation is in many cases? Publicly traded corporation are essentially socialist organizations.

I always get a laugh out of the left (and the right) on this. Both fail to see this is at the core of corporations. Collective ownership of the ways and means of production. Textbook definition of socialism!!! But the left is especially ridiculous on this issue as they often rail against corporations without any idea of their inner workers. Just look at this Democratic Socialists article.

“Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. "

Damn near every corporation I worked for, the stockholders were also employees!!! Those damn pesky and evil stockholders! So you want the employees to make all the business decisions? And just what do you socialists think happens at stockholder meetings?!?! Durr….

You socialists that rail against corporations are railing against the very collective ownership you seek!!! Oh the irony…
commented 2016-03-26 12:02:46 -0400 · Flag
uhhh…no that’s Communism you’re thinking of….
commented 2016-03-20 20:24:46 -0400 · Flag
To see socialism at work, how about a few examples…

Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:

China
Denmark
Finland
Netherlands
Canada
Sweden
Norway
Ireland
New Zealand
Belgium
commented 2016-03-19 04:34:47 -0400 · Flag
Most generally, socialism refers to state ownership of common property, or state ownership of the means of production. A purely socialist state would be one in which the state owns and operates the means of production. However, nearly all modern capitalist countries combine socialism and capitalism. The University of Idaho, and any other public school(s) or university(s) like it, is a/are “socialist” institutions, and those who attend it or work for it are partaking in socialism, because it is owned and operated by the state of Idaho. The same is true of federal and state highways, federal and state parks, harbors etc. Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect. So stop say socialism doesn’t work. Socialism is at work right now. It’s all around you everyday, whether you believe it or not.
commented 2016-03-17 17:51:42 -0400 · Flag
Judy McPherson. While I like your comment it needs to be corrected to read differently. You comment was “Capitalism depends on virtuous men becoming part of government; these are sadly lacking in our country today. Greedy and opportunistic people have taken over our government.” While correct you forgot to add capitalism depends on virtuous men become part of corporations and the investment class. It’s not happen and in my estimation it never has happened. Occasionally you get a virtuous capitalist but it’s not a normal reality.
commented 2016-03-07 10:50:52 -0500 · Flag
You just described Capitalism in it’s true form before our elected officials injected it with socialist policies. Maybe what you really want is to go back to a true Capitalist (limited) government with free markets. In true free markets it is the consumer who directs the investments and production.
commented 2016-03-04 15:00:18 -0500 · Flag
It is impossible to install socialism without creating bigger government – period. In order to “give” someone something, the government must first “take” something from someone else. Where is the incentive to work, if you know that your needs will be fulfilled by government? Where is the incentive to work, if you know the fruits of your labor will be taken and given to someone else? Socialism has been tried, and tried, and tried, and it DOES NOT WORK. In the worst case scenarios, it has led to absolute disaster, as it did in Nazi Germany, You do realize that “Nazi” stood for “National Socialist German Workers’ Party”(Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterparte), right?? The risk of descending into communism is too great. ALl it requires is for the government to decide that ALL assets need to be seized in order to fund socialism. Then, you wind up with a situation like you have now in Cuba. Is Cuba really the model you wish to use for a government?
commented 2016-02-25 10:20:24 -0500 · Flag
It all can POSSIBLY lead to communism, for sure. Capitalism, socialism. Every aspect of it. The question is, how much of a part are you going to play in ensuring that doesn’t happen? Right now, capitalism has America in a stranglehold and will not let go. Unless, we take a stand. Right now our only way to change things IS to vote. you have to take initiative and do your part. And GOD is long gone from our political system. The backwash idea of 1 supreme being is out of date and shouldn’t even be mentioned when it comes to things such as this
commented 2016-02-23 18:15:54 -0500 · Flag
But what incentives are there for entrepreneurs to risk their money (as well as other investors’ money) when they can’t have the major control of the company? Everyone who decides the course (and fate) of a business should have “skin in the game”. Otherwise those with nothing to lose but much to gain will discourage economic growth.
commented 2016-02-22 10:22:15 -0500 · Flag
Actually Tracy Weller you are confused because waphat most Americans want, and what Most of Europe Actually has, is Social Democracy, not Democratic Socialism. Democratic Socialism is what the USSR set out to be…the “people” own everything. Social Democracy is like Capitalism light. Private property and private business is encourages, but under a set of rules that keep it socially responsible. Rules that require “giving back” to society at large, contributing to social well being, infrastructure, education, etc. They run freely as enterprises, but behave as “patriotic” citizens, for want of a short answer.
commented 2016-02-16 18:41:29 -0500 · Flag
I still don’t understand democratic socialist. And what information I found muddled it more……and the answer I found here clarifies nothing. Could I please be guided to an answer that is clear concise and not a bunch of….its this but we might need do that?
commented 2016-02-11 21:25:31 -0500 · Flag
Trish Ray-Saulis Before demeaning and besmirching commenters, be aware you are mischaracterizing this issue. ALL forms of governing, whether in the economical or political spheres, will degenerate into something else if the people do not stay engaged and use the system they are being governed under to keep that fine balance between being freemen or slaves. Capitalism depends on virtuous men becoming part of government; these are sadly lacking in our country today. Greedy and opportunistic people have taken over our government. Our constitution affords us a mechanism to undo that….Becoming Socialist will only lead us into tyranny. History proves that….common sense tells a thinking person that people will not produce if their production only feeds themselves and the ones who will not work. The USSR demonstrated that fact. Has it been too long for people to remember the lines of Russians lining up to get bread when the bread ran out before the people’s hunger???? Under Socialism, the Communist government could not get enough production from their citizens to feed themselves, let alone create surpluses. Ask France if Democratic Socialism works for the people. Voting on allocation of a country’s production does not guarantee equity…those which are ruling the people can use their power to over ride the will of the people. No form of government is perfect (accept God’s) but a Constitutional form of government is less likely to allow government to over ride the will of the people.
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