But hasn't the European Social Democratic experiment failed?


Many northern European countries enjoy tremendous prosperity and relative economic equality thanks to the policies pursued by social democratic parties. These nations used their relative wealth to insure a high standard of living for their citizens—high wages, health care and subsidized education. Most importantly, social democratic parties supported strong labor movements that became central players in economic decision-making. But with the globalization of capitalism, the old social democratic model becomes ever harder to maintain. Stiff competition from low-wage labor markets in developing countries and the constant fear that industry will move to avoid taxes and strong labor regulations has diminished (but not eliminated) the ability of nations to launch ambitious economic reform on their own. Social democratic reform must now happen at the international level. Multinational corporations must be brought under democratic controls, and workers’ organizing efforts must reach across borders.

Now, more than ever, socialism is an international movement. As socialists have always known, the welfare of working people in Finland or California depends largely on standards in Italy or Indonesia. As a result, we must work towards reforms that can withstand the power of multinationals and global banks, and we must fight for a world order that is not controlled by bankers and bosses. 

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commented 2016-02-26 16:03:06 -0500 · Flag
Should say “much harder to control than a poverty class”
commented 2016-02-26 16:01:24 -0500 · Flag
So trade one evil for another evil? Each dictating who is in charge of the poverty class and middle class… Oh wait there is no middle class in socialism because equality isn’t about skills or ambition it’s about who the government decides should rise above the poverty. And a middle class is much harder to manipulate and control than a middle class.
commented 2016-02-09 14:38:30 -0500 · Flag
I notice that the Democratic Socialist success stories that are pointed out here only occur in countries that are firmly and historically Capitalist with clear class lines. Can a Democratic Socialist story live on it’s own without the Capitalist excess that in many cases pay for the generous programs? I could see a Democratic Socialist party being “valuable part” of a vibrant capitalist economic and political system but am somewhat suspect of it having the robustness needed to operate as a standalone system.
commented 2015-12-18 23:24:36 -0500 · Flag
Northern European countries (ex Sweden, Denmark & Norway) have only become prosperous in the last 20 years which was due to moving away from Socialist policies (lowering taxes, breaking up unions, increasing productivity). However this has come at the cost of increased poverty rates.
commented 2015-11-08 21:59:59 -0500 · Flag
Screw your world order.
commented 2015-10-29 03:47:03 -0400 · Flag
Suzanne — most of the jobs people take aren’t taken voluntarily. We take them because we’ll starve if we don’t, no matter how lousy the jobs are. Capitalism is the dictatorship of the market. Socialism is collective democratic control over political and economic life — it is real freedom. Market dictatorship is anti-freedom.
commented 2015-10-19 10:16:37 -0400 · Flag
The short answer is no.
Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden are social democracies of one form or another. These are not failed states.
commented 2015-10-18 17:58:12 -0400 · Flag
@ Suzanne Williams: Do you really want to go back to the days of the corporate company-towns (ie, slave labor for starvation wages that HAD to be spent at the company-store) … the days of no weekend or days off, no benefits, no likelihood of owning any property?? That’s what you can look forward to when you get rid of the evil government :-\
Government is the only thing we have standing between the Predatory Capitalism of today and the corporations who are running amok, and because the Supreme Court decided that Corporations Are People, and Money is Speech, we now have bought-and-paid-for government representatives who make laws in favor of corporations. The USA is falling apart, both morally and physically/environmentally. Why does it appear to be so frightening to you to try another way (ie, Democratic Socialism via Bernie Sanders)?? The last 35 years of Reagan’s Voodoo Economics has resulted in the destruction of the Middle Class. Do you want to maintain and continue that status quo??
commented 2015-10-13 16:46:27 -0400 · Flag
As long as you yes the peoples roads, firemen, police and army you need to respect us. You don’t get to run rough shod all over us because you have some working capitol to invest. You need us in the end. We are your customers. With out us you fail.
commented 2015-09-23 22:34:24 -0400 · Flag
“and we must fight for a world order that is not controlled by bankers and bosses. "
Because a world order controlled by the government is so much better, right? It’s still about control instead of freedom.
Workers are not forced/slave labor in the USA. They take jobs voluntarily. People who start businesses and invest their time and money should control their businesses, not the “democracy” i.e. government.

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